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		<title>By: President Facts List</title>
		<link>http://dontfearthetruth.com/2008/05/12/why-do-schools-ban-wikipedia/#comment-9364</link>
		<dc:creator>President Facts List</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Wikipedia is very revealing, but I still think that it's an inaccurate source of information.  It often is poorly edited and screened.  Because it relies on user-generated content, I don't think it's a good source of eduation for schools.  I concede that school textbooks are biased and don't contain some necessary information, but I think that we can do better than Wikipedia.

On the communist point you make, people fear communism because . . . it simply doesn't work and has been proven not to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Wikipedia is very revealing, but I still think that it&#8217;s an inaccurate source of information.  It often is poorly edited and screened.  Because it relies on user-generated content, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a good source of eduation for schools.  I concede that school textbooks are biased and don&#8217;t contain some necessary information, but I think that we can do better than Wikipedia.</p>
<p>On the communist point you make, people fear communism because . . . it simply doesn&#8217;t work and has been proven not to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Star Wars Price Guide</title>
		<link>http://dontfearthetruth.com/2008/05/12/why-do-schools-ban-wikipedia/#comment-9350</link>
		<dc:creator>Star Wars Price Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reason why school ban wikipedia is because students is relying on it way too much as the school management can see. Alots of the students bascially copy and paste wholesale from wiki without much rephasing and got caught for palargism. This is a serious problem in time to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reason why school ban wikipedia is because students is relying on it way too much as the school management can see. Alots of the students bascially copy and paste wholesale from wiki without much rephasing and got caught for palargism. This is a serious problem in time to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I'm not completely naive to believe everything I read on the Internet, I had no idea the amount of manipulation that goes on in Wikipedia.  Still, banning Wikipedia is not the way to go.  Every resource should be available to students.  And for the students to exclusively use Wikipedia and their cited sources is just plain lazy.  It's good for a starting point, but just dig deeper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not completely naive to believe everything I read on the Internet, I had no idea the amount of manipulation that goes on in Wikipedia.  Still, banning Wikipedia is not the way to go.  Every resource should be available to students.  And for the students to exclusively use Wikipedia and their cited sources is just plain lazy.  It&#8217;s good for a starting point, but just dig deeper.</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Mandolins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kentucky Mandolins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should all be grateful to the labor movement for having our workweek reduced from 60 hrs per week to 40.  And I think it is high time we had another labor movement organized to get this reduced further to 30 hours per week plus free daycare for the children of all workers, plus free universal healthcare.  Now that would be something to be proud of!  Schools exist to pass on the status quo...to be sure nobody rocks the boat.  I homeschool my children and intend on giving them the history that schools are afraid to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should all be grateful to the labor movement for having our workweek reduced from 60 hrs per week to 40.  And I think it is high time we had another labor movement organized to get this reduced further to 30 hours per week plus free daycare for the children of all workers, plus free universal healthcare.  Now that would be something to be proud of!  Schools exist to pass on the status quo&#8230;to be sure nobody rocks the boat.  I homeschool my children and intend on giving them the history that schools are afraid to.</p>
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		<title>By: 64bitllama</title>
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		<dc:creator>64bitllama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bee Hat / Jerry:

Congratulations on regurgitating the textbook response! In fact, we don't have enough evidence of communism in any system to judge its merits. The "but people will be lazy" argument is a bit of a logical fallacy, because it suggests that a communist system must still maintain the same high-speed, caffeine-induced, competitive market that we see in capitalism. 

The very concepts of work and productivity are arbitrary - Our perceptions of what a "job" really means is defined by our social structure and culture. The 8-hour workday is an arbitrary level of productivity that most people embrace as the norm, when it is not much more than a selected value. 

Your "view" of communism and all its failures are based upon the belief that a communist system must still support a rote-memorization schooling system where students are selected by a status-quo of intelligence to be sent to universities where they will be further required to rote-memorize and regurgitate information. This education then enables a person to work daily for the rest of their life in a productivity-driven job with a limited scope. Henry Ford taught us that the most productive workers are those whose job is simplified to a few simple, mundane tasks. 

Since our goal is productivity, this drone-like system is effective. However, it is not the only way to bring about productivity, satisfaction and personal welfare. When people are engaged in things they truly enjoy, they are more likely to be productive in doing them. If people are given freedom to move laterally to any job that piques their interest, they will gravitate to the tasks that interest them and do so productively. 

To understand communism, you have to remove all preconceptions of education, labor, wealth and so on. A proper communist is not a flaky government applied to a superficially capitalist world. For communism to work effectively, an entire transformation in the human psyche must first occur.

Of course, we will never reach that point due to our biased view of what communism is (your response being a case in point)



PS. Sorry for derailing. In regards to the post itself, I agree fully that Wikipedia is an extremely useful educational resource. So what if there is the occasional error? It's not like the education system has never taught wrong information to its students. Teachers should always emphasize the importance of skepticism in learning - If they have done so effectively, then a small error in an otherwise vast library of knowledge will not be detrimental to their students education. 

Of course, the school system doesn't teach skepticism because its job is not to create students who think. The main purpose of the education system is to create citizens that obey any rules that they are given. The rote-education on top of that is more a facade then anything.

Too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bee Hat / Jerry:</p>
<p>Congratulations on regurgitating the textbook response! In fact, we don&#8217;t have enough evidence of communism in any system to judge its merits. The &#8220;but people will be lazy&#8221; argument is a bit of a logical fallacy, because it suggests that a communist system must still maintain the same high-speed, caffeine-induced, competitive market that we see in capitalism. </p>
<p>The very concepts of work and productivity are arbitrary - Our perceptions of what a &#8220;job&#8221; really means is defined by our social structure and culture. The 8-hour workday is an arbitrary level of productivity that most people embrace as the norm, when it is not much more than a selected value. </p>
<p>Your &#8220;view&#8221; of communism and all its failures are based upon the belief that a communist system must still support a rote-memorization schooling system where students are selected by a status-quo of intelligence to be sent to universities where they will be further required to rote-memorize and regurgitate information. This education then enables a person to work daily for the rest of their life in a productivity-driven job with a limited scope. Henry Ford taught us that the most productive workers are those whose job is simplified to a few simple, mundane tasks. </p>
<p>Since our goal is productivity, this drone-like system is effective. However, it is not the only way to bring about productivity, satisfaction and personal welfare. When people are engaged in things they truly enjoy, they are more likely to be productive in doing them. If people are given freedom to move laterally to any job that piques their interest, they will gravitate to the tasks that interest them and do so productively. </p>
<p>To understand communism, you have to remove all preconceptions of education, labor, wealth and so on. A proper communist is not a flaky government applied to a superficially capitalist world. For communism to work effectively, an entire transformation in the human psyche must first occur.</p>
<p>Of course, we will never reach that point due to our biased view of what communism is (your response being a case in point)</p>
<p>PS. Sorry for derailing. In regards to the post itself, I agree fully that Wikipedia is an extremely useful educational resource. So what if there is the occasional error? It&#8217;s not like the education system has never taught wrong information to its students. Teachers should always emphasize the importance of skepticism in learning - If they have done so effectively, then a small error in an otherwise vast library of knowledge will not be detrimental to their students education. </p>
<p>Of course, the school system doesn&#8217;t teach skepticism because its job is not to create students who think. The main purpose of the education system is to create citizens that obey any rules that they are given. The rote-education on top of that is more a facade then anything.</p>
<p>Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: SEO Directory</title>
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		<dc:creator>SEO Directory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia is a very good source of information. But the only negative thing is that it has little control over the facts. Rumors and "hear-say" could be included there and people would misunderstand them as facts. So its a little bit of a double edged sword.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia is a very good source of information. But the only negative thing is that it has little control over the facts. Rumors and &#8220;hear-say&#8221; could be included there and people would misunderstand them as facts. So its a little bit of a double edged sword.</p>
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		<title>By: Marmaris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marmaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard about this. Some school do banned wikipedia. It would help if wikipedia got some organization that would acknowledge it's resourcefulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard about this. Some school do banned wikipedia. It would help if wikipedia got some organization that would acknowledge it&#8217;s resourcefulness.</p>
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		<title>By: golf travel bags</title>
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		<dc:creator>golf travel bags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Truly Wikipedia is useful for me. But there is once I have a subject call international relations. I really hope to get information from the website as like how I usually did. But my tutor didn't allow any of us refer to that website. She said that info had been used by most of our seniors. So she wish to get fresh info from us. Bad luck me! :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Truly Wikipedia is useful for me. But there is once I have a subject call international relations. I really hope to get information from the website as like how I usually did. But my tutor didn&#8217;t allow any of us refer to that website. She said that info had been used by most of our seniors. So she wish to get fresh info from us. Bad luck me! <img src='http://dontfearthetruth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 00:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  Good point David but... I was just reading in an 'alternative' history book about how one so called 'respected academic' portrayed Christopher Columbus.  When talking about the mass killing of American Indians, the author just stated - once - that 'most would call it genocide'.  

That's it.  The author of the book I was reading noted that the other author had to mention it because other authors and academics would attack the book as inaccurate if he did not.  He noted genocide after a long paragraph that basically softened up the reader for the stunning fact that Columbus killed thousands and thousands of American Indians.  He basically made excuses for Columbus. 

The reason I like Wikipedia is that it opens up each topic for debate.  Each side can cite their sources, etc.  

When reading one book on a subject, you always have to worry about the author's bias, and the possibility that he or she is glossing over some facts, etc etc.  

bah I have no time, sorry.  What I am trying to say is that I will take Wikipedia over most books because at least I know many people debated/argued over the content of that article.  As James Loewen says "History is NOT facts, it is furious debate."

With wikipedia, the debate is always ongoing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  Good point David but&#8230; I was just reading in an &#8216;alternative&#8217; history book about how one so called &#8216;respected academic&#8217; portrayed Christopher Columbus.  When talking about the mass killing of American Indians, the author just stated - once - that &#8216;most would call it genocide&#8217;.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s it.  The author of the book I was reading noted that the other author had to mention it because other authors and academics would attack the book as inaccurate if he did not.  He noted genocide after a long paragraph that basically softened up the reader for the stunning fact that Columbus killed thousands and thousands of American Indians.  He basically made excuses for Columbus. </p>
<p>The reason I like Wikipedia is that it opens up each topic for debate.  Each side can cite their sources, etc.  </p>
<p>When reading one book on a subject, you always have to worry about the author&#8217;s bias, and the possibility that he or she is glossing over some facts, etc etc.  </p>
<p>bah I have no time, sorry.  What I am trying to say is that I will take Wikipedia over most books because at least I know many people debated/argued over the content of that article.  As James Loewen says &#8220;History is NOT facts, it is furious debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>With wikipedia, the debate is always ongoing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are missing the point.  Yes, Wikipedia has tremendous potential.  I love and support the idea of an open source encyclopedia.  The problem, however, is that the information on Wikipedia is spotty.  For instance, let's say that a student is writing a paper about--oh, I don't know--the 9/11 Truth Movement.  If the student goes to Wikipedia, she will not receive a balanced and neutral treatment of the topic.  This is just one example, but there are many more.  I too check Wikipedia when i want quick info on something, but even in my cursory browsing of entries, the quality varies wildly.  Some topics are clearly well-written and researched (probably written  by scholars).  Others leave out information, lack citations, or are amateurishly written.  There's also the problem of, even when an article is well-researched and cited, one has no idea who actually wrote the article.  There's little accountability.  True, textbooks have agendas (though the Keller example is flawed because we don't expect to get Keller's entire biography in school, so the omission of her link with Socialism need not be interpreted as censorship), but Wikipedia entries often have agendas, too.  Thus, the reason Wikipedia is censored in schools has NOTHING to do with censorship or hiding the truth (let the paranoia rest, kids).  The reason we educators encourage students to go beyond Wikipedia is because if students take the extra step and visit their library to find authored books and articles written by respected scholars, they won't fall into the trap of taking information at face value.  There is no anti-Wikipedia conspiracy.  Wikipedia is fine.  It's a good place to find quick facts.  It has tremendous democratic, open-source potential.  But by its very nature, that open-source potential results also in, at times, shaky information.  The student must go beyond Wikipedia--just as one must go beyond watered-down general textbooks--to find rigorous scholarship produced by individuals whose work must pass the highest tests in order to be published by an academic press or a peer-reviewed academic journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are missing the point.  Yes, Wikipedia has tremendous potential.  I love and support the idea of an open source encyclopedia.  The problem, however, is that the information on Wikipedia is spotty.  For instance, let&#8217;s say that a student is writing a paper about&#8211;oh, I don&#8217;t know&#8211;the 9/11 Truth Movement.  If the student goes to Wikipedia, she will not receive a balanced and neutral treatment of the topic.  This is just one example, but there are many more.  I too check Wikipedia when i want quick info on something, but even in my cursory browsing of entries, the quality varies wildly.  Some topics are clearly well-written and researched (probably written  by scholars).  Others leave out information, lack citations, or are amateurishly written.  There&#8217;s also the problem of, even when an article is well-researched and cited, one has no idea who actually wrote the article.  There&#8217;s little accountability.  True, textbooks have agendas (though the Keller example is flawed because we don&#8217;t expect to get Keller&#8217;s entire biography in school, so the omission of her link with Socialism need not be interpreted as censorship), but Wikipedia entries often have agendas, too.  Thus, the reason Wikipedia is censored in schools has NOTHING to do with censorship or hiding the truth (let the paranoia rest, kids).  The reason we educators encourage students to go beyond Wikipedia is because if students take the extra step and visit their library to find authored books and articles written by respected scholars, they won&#8217;t fall into the trap of taking information at face value.  There is no anti-Wikipedia conspiracy.  Wikipedia is fine.  It&#8217;s a good place to find quick facts.  It has tremendous democratic, open-source potential.  But by its very nature, that open-source potential results also in, at times, shaky information.  The student must go beyond Wikipedia&#8211;just as one must go beyond watered-down general textbooks&#8211;to find rigorous scholarship produced by individuals whose work must pass the highest tests in order to be published by an academic press or a peer-reviewed academic journal.</p>
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